The extra spread is useful as I have an 11-32 rear cassette with a compact 50-34 chainset Devon hills are not very forgiving. The current generations of the 105, Ultegra, and Dura-Ace groups are called “105 R7000,” “Ultegra R8000,” and “Dura-Ace R9100,” respectively. Any help or advise is greatly appreciated. Piste Whether that’s important, one must judge for oneself. Beaucoup trop de chiffres sur … I think the best non-wear upgrade is wheels. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Then another 10 years pass by and it’s time again, the right shifter wasn’t shifting that smooth anymore. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. I’ve got full Ultegra 6800 11 speed, mostly because I bought a year-end clearance Giant for $200 less than my LBS was selling a Domane with 105 10 speed. Sinon, le 105 est carrément au même poids (8,4) qu'un des 2 utlegra... Une majorité ne voit pas de différences et sont très contents du 105 et le disent increvable, moi j'ai eu des soucis avec mais c'est mon 1er vélo de route et l'entretien n'était sans doute pas irréprochable la 1ere année et je roule par tous les temps (sauf verglas) ce qui n'a pas du arranger les choses. Shimano Ultegra et 105, ainsi que le haut de gamme Dura-Ace représentent différents niveaux de niveau compétitif les composants de la route Shimano. Shimano 105 R7000 hydraulic vs Shimano 105 RS505 hydraulic. Thank you! they appear to be made of the same materials also but I haven’t done a Vickers hardness test. For me I bought 105 sets because of the price point.. According to Beginner Triathlete, Ultegra group sets weigh roughly 280g, or half a pound less than a 105 gruppo. Magazine, Photos Inscriptions en ligne Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. My advice would be to focus on the frame and get as much 105 on there or better at the start, though I believe RS500 cranks are comparable to 105. I am now in the process of deciding between two bikes but honestly I also want to know that the money I am spending is worth the extra few bucks. The 105 has a bit more ‘heft’. groupsets. There is your performance increase right there! Still, it gives the general direction of travel (i.e. Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. Bon, tu peux avoir des moments de pas de chance, mais les uns à la suite des autres comme ça, je soupçonne que le suivi mécanique aurait dû être plus poussé. The only gain I can see from upgrading needlessly (ie you haven’t knackered something in your existing set-up) is that Ultegra seems to have a certain cache that is lacking from the ‘lesser'(?) Well, have a squiz at the full groupset images above. j'hésite entre deux vélos presque identiques: un équipé avec un groupe shimano 150 R7000 et l'autre avec un groupe shimano ultegra R8000. Which I suppose makes sense since one is two years old (but is new). Par ex en 2 ans mon étrier arrière a du être dégrippé (il ne se désserrait plus complètement, gênant que le patin reste collé à la jante...) et son levier d'écartement rapide ne fonctionne plus et n'est pas démontable/réparable car sur le 105 il y a un rivet là où il y a une vis sur l'étrier ultegra... Mes galets étaient HS de chez HS (au point d'avoir la chaine qui sautait du galet du bas, mais seulement en côte de 10% et + sinon c'est pas drole...) en moins de 2 ans / 9000km alors que d'autres copains n'ont toujours pas eu besoin de les changer. Since the model years overlap, Shimano maintains the difference in overlapping years in the form of weight (use slightly different metals/parts on the largest pieces to save weight) and finish (higher groupsets will look nicer and follow finishing trends/colors from the pro-peloton) as well as staggering the technology changes. I suggest you go to a different bike shop, tell them you are just shopping but not ready to buy and you want to try size 54 and 52 bikes to see which is more comfortable. If that’s 105, fine. I write entertaining articles about road cycling: gear reviews, training advice. Cyclistes considèrent de 105 un ensemble de composants de formation de haute qualité, ou "gruppo", tandis que Ultegra est mieux adapté pour la course. If it is over 1% change the chain and cassette. Speaking to a few data points in the ‘endurance bike’ category (all of which are carbon frames): (For the USD prices, I just converted the UK prices at $1.29:£1 to give an indication. Le reste est une affaire de prestige. The Zipps are 2 oz heavier than the DAs. Campagnolo does not include pedals with its … It means a lot of constant shifting and often over two cogs. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. Also I recently came across a used set of Zipp 404s which I bought. Shimano Tiagra vs 105. L'idéal pour toi serait de laisser le RS10 au magasin, négocier leur remplacement par des Zonda avec le groupe Ultegra sur ton vélo à 400€ de plus que le vélo basique en 105. The sole differences I can see are a different plastic material in the bodies (the shape is identical) and composite plastic levers instead of aluminium alloy. These real differences matter because many parts need to change/are incompatible between these lines (for instance from 10-11 speed, you need a thinner chain, new cassette, new rear derailleur, freehub body, and brake/shifter levers, though the crank/chainrings are compatible though Shimano will tell you otherwise). Canyon, Cannondale and Specialized upgrade other components as you move up the range (wheels, for instance). Au club, personne savait ce qui se passait et pourtant il y a plusieurs mécanos chevronés. Which I am part of neither! Développement : Florent LigneyWebdesign : Véronique Vilmant, Accueil ", " Bon, tu peux avoir des moments de pas de chance, mais les uns à la suite des autres comme ça, je soupçonne que le suivi mécanique aurait dû être plus poussé. Un peu plus de fluidité? Des réponses qui vont toutes dans le même sens. You pay the same price that you would have done anyway. See, I told you it wasn’t clear but. in addition to that, the Brake/Shift hoods on the 105 have a wierd ergonomic feel to them. The origin story of the term Di2 is shrouded in mystery…. The difference is approximately 200g (i.e. I’ll know in 10 or 20 years! This was all quite straightforward (okay somewhat straightforward), until Shimano started adding an ‘R’ at the beginning of some of them, and I got a bit befuddled. (Harry Enfield I’m considerably richer than you). The different combos of what might comprise your chosen groupset (e.g disc brakes versus rim) makes trying to come up with a useful summary very difficult. Overall, I would say the Ultegra are comparable to the 10-speed Dura Ace, if not even slightly better (especially braking). Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. Shimano 105 Vs. Shimano Ultegra L'achat d'un vélo de route peut être déroutant, surtout une fois que vous commencez à regarder en groupes de composants. What model Ultegra can I upgrade to as parts begin to fail? Si tu as 400 euros de trop, pourquoi pas, mais sinon, en test aveugle, je suis curieux de voir si quelqu'un sentirait objectivement une réelle et substantielle différence. You are not riding great distances yet, and you don’t want a poorly fitted bike to destroy your riding enjoyment. (*By Kraftwerk, if there’s any justice in the world). You talked about wheels and I strongly agree that lighter wheels make a huge performance and fun improvement. The 5700 105, 6700 ultegra shifter design was horribly uncomfortable and the reason I changed. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). Le Potenza est proche du Shimano Ultegra et du SRAM Force. J'ai eu un 105, il fonctionnait très bien. It came with a full Shimano 105 groupset (5700 – model range number fans). The price difference between 105 and Ultegra is about $300 dollars. Thanks Jack for your comments, I appreciate it! 11s is the newest and will have spare and replacement parts available longer, and that, I believe is the biggest advantage. Délai . The heavier groupset will make you stronger because it’s heavier, then later when you upgrade to the lighter more expensive groupset you’ll be stronger and faster. Starting with a 105 group is a good idea. Jack thank you so much for you advise, I do greatly appreciate it. Je ne vois que le groupe en différences. For example in the RD there is stainless steel, carbon fiber, and aluminum where 105 RD use normal steel. Le Veloce se rapproche du Shimano 105 et du SRAM Rival. Ooh, I seem to be first. the 2015 Ultegra. Again a value to the LBS. It’s worth noting that some bike makers do an aluminium-framed version of their end above bikes, fitted with Shimano 105. If you feel a difference, it is a placebo effect. C'est la seule différence entre les 2 vélos. Congrats. You finally succumb to the rule of n+1 and you start looking for your first ‘proper’ road bike. Absolutely not. how stupid is that? If your chain is at or very close to 0.75% stretched change it. Hydraulic shifters & brakes. I assume both bikes are 10s. I am also looking at a Colnago CLX 3.0 Ultegra 2015. 1,830 Posts #8 • Jan 20, 2019. Aide / FAQ, Votre publicité When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. Mieux vaut les accepter et rouler avec l'hiver...des fois qu'une bagnole nous coupe la route, la perte ne nous attristera guère! With the Ultegra’s, it is almost always an immediate shift and just enough feedback to know it went, but not enough to be annoying. 105 weighs 200g more, all else being equal), which in the grand scheme of anything other than pro cycling is kind of irrelevant. Case in point, the Trek Domane range is no longer a good example – whatever tech they’ve put into it means the frame is quite expensive and savings are made by speccing the equivalent bike to mine (the SL4) with some Tiagra components. If so, I like the 105 bike more. Now will I ever like Carbon as much as Titanium? But the extra ‘spacing; between cogs would have been nice. It might not look traditional hard core but it screams common sense. Anyway, to aid comprehension, here’s a little table I knocked up to show the range numbers of the current and prior generations of top end Shimano groupsets: The dates show the ‘model year’ for when each new generation was launched. Le 105 fait le job, et même très bien. Il deviendra le groupe de choix des nouveaux adeptes désireux de s'entraîner et de participer à des épreuves plus difficiles. Contact Trek Domane 4.3 Road Bike Rebuild: Tools and Parts List, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version, recorded in this series of YouTube videos, Torque To The Hand (Best Bicycle Torque Wrench 2020), Best Chain Whip And Cassette Lockring Tools (And What They Do), http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. Both bikes are new and and both had 22 gears. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. There comes a time in every road cyclist’s life when it becomes clear* that the quickest way to progress to professional standards of performance is to splash more cash on a random bike component. It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. The 105 5800 groupset I bought complete with wheels and tyres for £230 was a real bargain and I found that overall it performed better than my ultegra 6700 groupset except that the brakes are not as well finished. Chain only showed very little change, but the new chain and cassette had a very noticeable improvement. The main differences between Shimano 105 vs Ultegra are: Shimano 105 dual control levers weigh 500g, whereas Ultegra weighs 438; Shimano 105 brakes cost around 50$, whereas Ultegra cost approximately $130; Shimano 105 is designed for beginner and intermediate cyclists, whereas Ultegra is designed for professional cyclists. The lever throw seems a little shorter, and it is harder to miss a shift, especially going up the cassette. I am hoping to increase both miles and how many times per week, possibly to join a riding group as well. J'ai regardé la fiche du vélo https://www.wilier.com/fr/produits/int/road/gtr-team et j'ai pas compris dans les variantes la différence entre le groupe ultegra R8000 et ultegra R8000 2.0 50g plus lourd (8,4 vs 8,35). My last bike had a Dura Ace 10-speed groupset, and the Ultegra brakes are better than those. Pedals are lighter, wider, and Shimano bearings have never failed me. And the price. Just a quick note about brakes: I read recently that while Ultegra were the highest rated rim brakes, 105 use the same mechanical action and should perform the same (I can’t compare as my winter bike has discs). Do you think it would be worth it? This was all very helpful, and gives me some more information to consider before making my choice! I agree, when you are ready, or when your bike is ready, make the leap to ultegra. Maybe 11 speed is it. Because they’re both in the current ‘design generation’ (is that what we’d call it), they both share the modern-looking chunky crank design. (Fun fact, Shimano put index shifting first in entry level models pre-1984, it was an abysmal failure until they put it in their top of the line Dura-Ace). I have an aluminum Specialized and now upgrading to carbon. If that's not convinced you, here's what happens when 105 meets macho bollocks. Both the front and rear derailleurs should offer the same light, short-stroke shifts as the Ultegra model. You gaze adoringly at your clean-shiftin’ 105 drivetrain for a couple of years… and then start to wonder, “Would I be faster-stronger-sexier if I had Ultegra on my bike?”. I found the upgraded bike at a local shop and the other bike I found online and the person is willing to ship to me for free. (je ne comprends pas les 400€ dont tu parles... pour moi il y a 200€ d'écart entre les deux vélos hors promotion) C'est une excellente question... Mon expérience de la différence de vieillissement entre Ultegra et 105 me fait dire que oui... Est ce que pour 400€, il ne vaut pas mieux remplacer les RS10 par une paire de Zonda ? As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. This should not be the case. Our test bike included a full Ultegra groupset. But would change to a 52-36 chainset on my next build. If both bikes are new I would take the information to your LBS and see if they would reduce their price 2-300 or if that embarrasses you just get the online one. Chains and cassettes wear out a lot faster than derailleurs. Partenariat there is no difference that would give rise to a different shifting experience in reality (I studied mechanical engineering degree level at university, I have reasonably trained opinion I think). I am trying to choose between a 2015 Cannodale CAAD 10 105 for $1100 or a Cannondale CAAD 10 with Ultegra for $1750. IMHO 105 vs Ultegra should not play a determining factor in your decision. I’ve shown this photo before, but include it again for reasons of laziness. These chain sets are built with unequal spacing to minimize the stress it endures when you pedal. The Shimano 105 pedals feature a sealed axle unit that requires less maintenance and a wide platform for better transfer of power from the stainless steel body. I appreciate your comments . That’s another question, and something I’m, going to find out (and REI gives you a few months to try it out, then you can still return it, thus my snapping up the bargain price without having a bike there to try out on the spot-REI is a seriously great company!!). The 105’s tend to be less consistent when shifting. Sinon le changement de vitesse fonctionne globalement bien, t'appuies et ça passe. Not all these mods are available with 11s yet. I think that by comparing complete groupsets you are doing everyone a disfavor. The Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 2021 model costs £2,200 ($2,838) whilst the Ultegra version is £2,700 ($3,483); Specialized Roubaix Sport (with 105) costs £2,750 ($3,548); the Roubaix Comp (Ultegra) comes in at £3,500 ($4,515). Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. What is your skill level and how much riding will you do? Cyclo-Cross Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. Au bout d'un moment je vais pas y laisser ma paie non plus. An asymmetrical chain jumps between rings more efficiently. But I’m deluded and believe that this might make me a better cyclist. D'ailleurs le 105 a un meilleur freinage, hahaha, par rapport à quoi? All the more so if the new component’s improved performance is held back by an otherwise, ahem, moderately maintained drivetrain. But on a limited budget I would prioritize: – Frame (really the most important decision) – Wheels – Saddle – Groupset (and I could easily live with 105 5800). Shimano's concern with the 105 was to enhance difficult shifts — notably, inward shift in the back and outward shift in the front. And the wheel doesn’t work with 11s. I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. Bof, un peu d'huile sur mon 105, des entretiens faits à temps et roulez jeunesse, Monsieur Shi ne m'aura pas! If you like to show off with your Ultegra with its shinier finish fine. There are a lot of new bikes out there with 30 and 32 tooth largest cogs. This has the potential to maximise comfort and, most importantly, performance far more than by choosing one iteration or another of Shimano’s group sets. I’m no Froome-dog and I’ve only returned to cycling reasonably seriously in the last 3 years but my experience is that there’s little between them (unless, of course you want the electronic do-dah). As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. A 12-28 would have been far more practical and although I don’t think I “need” the 28, I do live in a very hilly area and would have embraced the spin if I had that smaller gear. Ultegra components are also stiffer, meaning that the bike doesn’t “flex” under the load of hard pedaling, wasting energy. Way more noticeable than when I upgraded the front derailleur from 105 to Ultegra (I’ve now gone back to 105-only on the Domane). Plutôt investir dans des roues ! When I knackered the front derailleur, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version (10-speed 6700). Elle est la déclinaison abordable du groupe DURA-ACE. So now is the time to consider whether upgrading from Shimano 105, a perfectly functional bike groupset, to Shimano Ultegra, a perfectly functional bike groupset, will take you from dog-dog to Froome-dog. Some misc thoughts: Titanium frames are essentially permanent; ie, there is actually zero measurable loss of resilience over time, especially from the miniscule stresses a bike frame feels, compared to radical loads of say an airplane. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. For the time being, only Ultegra and it’s pro-sibling Dura-Ace have electronic rather than mechanical gear shifts. Pros Cyclistes considèrent de 105 un ensemble de composants de formation de haute qualité, ou "gruppo", tandis que Ultegra est mieux adapté pour la course. The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. If you click and buy something, I get a commission, at no extra cost to you. I suspect the difference will be smaller when comparing to 5800. 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