I can say, though, that the Ultegra brakes are amazing. Seriously, how practical is that? Yo! I subsequently found a decent deal on used Di2 electronics and was able to slap them on. Comme dit , je dis pas que le 105 est mauvais, je dis que j'ai fait une mauvaise expérience, sans doute en partie de mon fait. I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. The upgrade groupset parts as they become worn out. The marginal upgrade in performance does not justify the significant higher cost. Your logic is impeccable and it is exactly what manufacturers want you to think; whether it be a bike, a car or a computer. I have a solution for you: I madez a YouTube on the subject. Dreraillers had to be changed to match the shifter. Les différences entre le 105 et Shimano Shimano Ultegra peuvent être légère, mais les comprendre peut faire le choix du bon vélo Unless your derailleur is bent I wouldn’t change it. Many are going to disk brakes. Un peu plus de fluidité? 1,830 Posts #8 • Jan 20, 2019. I am hoping to increase both miles and how many times per week, possibly to join a riding group as well. So I was faced with buying 10 speed stuff that was fast becoming obsolete and impossible to service or a new bike. Tiagra and below, despite being perfectly adequate for your first few sportives (probably all your sportives) and for your daily commute, should be eschewed in favour of 105 or Ultegra as soon as your functional threshold power hits 150W. In reading all these comments one sticks out to me — yesterdays ultegra (i.e. Circle diameter where bolts for chainrings should be is the same for both and means that all chainring sizes are compatible. (For completeness, Tiagra is next, followed by Sora and Claris. Since the model years overlap, Shimano maintains the difference in overlapping years in the form of weight (use slightly different metals/parts on the largest pieces to save weight) and finish (higher groupsets will look nicer and follow finishing trends/colors from the pro-peloton) as well as staggering the technology changes. Modifier mon abonnement aux réponses de ce sujet, Retour au forum Route > Matériel Haut de page, Tous droits réservés 2000-2021 © I’ve done this myself, with my 10-speed 105 5700 groupset. That being said I think my 10s can last my lifetime (I’m 65 now) plus many years. Les 400 EUR permettent de gagner... 50 grammes seulement d'après la fiche du constructeur ! we’re probably due an update of the Dura Ace range next). L'ultégra n'a vraiment pas grand chose de plus qu'un 105 si ce n'est "l'effet" gamme supérieure. Campagnolo does not include pedals with its … Even Shimano makes the distinction, with this little grey line on its website: In truth, what tends to happen is that you get your first road bike and it comes with whatever it comes with (in my case it was a ragtag set of Campagnolo and Miche components). Well, have a squiz at the full groupset images above. This was all very helpful, and gives me some more information to consider before making my choice! 10s 105 or Ultegra can be used with XT deore cassettes (sometimes derailleur needs to be changed) and this can allow expanded gear ratios for climbing. Réponse au message de Charles FULLENWARTH. merci bien de ces conseils. There has to be a limit to rear wheel spacing and a limit to the number of gears that are useful. Shimano dévoile une nouveauté en ce début de printemps avec le nouveau groupe Shimano 105 R7000. The dents also reveal how many carbon frames might have been trashed in those years. Similarly, electronic shifting (Di2) first appears in 2009 (7970), then two years later in Ultegra (6770, but with 10 speed only), and still has yet to appear in the 105 (presumably with the 5870 or 5970). Mais plus tard je me suis aperçu que la version en Ultegra avait aussi un cintre plus haut de gamme, plus léger, une selle avec rails titane et pas acier, de meilleurs pneus.... It looks like because of the way this is written / appearance on Google that a lot of newer cyclists are taking “yesterdays Ultegra is today’s 105” literally. Yo! The question is whether the difference is worth the money. If it were me, and once again assuming the online bike is used, I would go with the Local Bike Shop. Tu as un outil de comparaison entre vélo sur le site de Wilier....pratique. But the thing is, that all occurred in the previous generation of these two groupsets. All the more so if the new component’s improved performance is held back by an otherwise, ahem, moderately maintained drivetrain. I’ve only tried a couple of rides with them and find they accelerate quicker than the DAs but climbing is about the same. Délai . The 40 cog is aftermarket, and I took out the 11 cog to make it work. me back, ive got sneaking suspicion the the only difference in the tiagra 4700 mechanism is 10 teeth on the ratchet instead of 11. as far as my eyes can reach looking in a shop display I cant see any difference in the exposed parts of the mechanism. The cassette started as a Deore XT 11-36. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I write entertaining articles about road cycling: gear reviews, training advice. 105 stayed firmly mechanical. The answer is Ultegra. how stupid is that? And I am not a purist. Shimano didn’t come out with a ‘105 Di2 5870’. Shimano 105 5800 vs Ultegra 6800 – How they compare Design Both these pedals feature the four-arm design providing almost equal stiffness and lighter weight. If the upgraded bike is 11s and the online one 10s there is a slight value to the LBS bike. Ultegra is a huge massive jump up from 105 as far as i'm concerned. You pay the same price that you would have done anyway. It is easy to change a couple of components later to make the bike feel like a larger size. Scarflux Jeg skiftede selv fra 105 5600 til Dura-Ace 9000 og blev selv overraskede over hvor lille forskellen er real er, jo der er mindre transmission støj, special efter jeg satte en KMC X11SL DLC kæde på, ergonomien er måske også bedre i sti grebene, den enlige større forskel er skiftede på forskifteren, den er i klasse for sig. Réponse au message de Olivier MILLIÈS-LACROIX. The consensus amongst the online cyclo-rati is that there’s not much in it. La différence de prix entre 105 et Ultegra est de l'ordre de presque 1 euro par gramme entre les 2 mêmes groupes 10V mécanique. My guess is that your chain is too long, and/or you have a bent hanger or derailleur. A 12-28 would have been far more practical and although I don’t think I “need” the 28, I do live in a very hilly area and would have embraced the spin if I had that smaller gear. Regarding 10s vs 11s you likely won’t notice a difference. If you are just getting started, it will not make a difference. I have tried this myself and can vouch for it. Hello! This is some serious riding you put on! Once you find the problem change the chain and cassette then adjust alignment and the B screw. I stopped short of replacing the rear derailleur or the shifters. je pense que tu as eu des problèmes suite à des défauts d'entretien. The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. The Dura-Ace brakes shave about 30–40 grams off using ‘unobtainium’ parts. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. superficial difference in the lever tops which I would guess is to stop you from putting Ultegra nameplates on 105 levers. The electro-versions of Ultegra and Dura-Ace have Di2 added at the end of their names to make it clear that no cables are required (though unlike SRAM’s wireless eTAP electronic system, Shimano does still require the use of wires). Shimano Ultegra et 105, ainsi que le haut de gamme Dura-Ace représentent différents niveaux de niveau compétitif les composants de la route Shimano. Well, I have both – the current iteration of 105 on my Cannondale winter bike and Ultegra on my summer carbon Vitus jobby. Amateurs replacement parts, a cassette with different gear ratios), that they’re compatible with the gear bits (technical term) that you’ve already got. If one is more comfortable than the other go with that size. The newest 105 is very slick and, I suspect, the best value of all Shimano groupsets for serious cyclists. I assume both bikes are 10s. Very helpful article as I am looking to upgrade from Sora. Retour au forum Route > Matériel Bas de page. Purists might point to a little more finesse in the Ultegra front and rear derailleur, but there’s not much in it. This was all quite straightforward (okay somewhat straightforward), until Shimano started adding an ‘R’ at the beginning of some of them, and I got a bit befuddled. However I suspect that the 105 would have been fine for many years of fun and excitement. Of the the articles on the web, this one answered my question best about whether or not I’d made a mistake by purchasing a new Cannondale Synapse with 105 after 24 years of riding two bikes that had, in succession, a 1993 model bike with Shimano 600 (which I believe became Ultegra the next year) and just plain Ultra on my 2004 model bike. Cyclistes considèrent de 105 un ensemble de composants de formation de haute qualité, ou "gruppo", tandis que Ultegra est mieux adapté pour la course. Inscriptions en ligne Healthy disclaimer though – the prices seem a bit all over the place. Contact En bas de la gamme, de l’alu et du plastique; en haut, du carbone, des roulements céramiques et de la visserie titane. My blog contains Affiliate Links. Of course the chain is also thinner in 11s. The key thing is to enjoy what your bike and to make it comfortable for you. The bike at $1750 is a size 52 and the bike online at $1100.00 is size 54. Maybe 11 speed is it. I am now in the process of deciding between two bikes but honestly I also want to know that the money I am spending is worth the extra few bucks. ", " Bon, tu peux avoir des moments de pas de chance, mais les uns à la suite des autres comme ça, je soupçonne que le suivi mécanique aurait dû être plus poussé. I am on the fence on paying up if it’s not too big of a difference. Just a quick note about brakes: I read recently that while Ultegra were the highest rated rim brakes, 105 use the same mechanical action and should perform the same (I can’t compare as my winter bike has discs). I’ve had a go at summarising the supposed recommended prices for the various current (R8000/R7000) Ultegra and 105 options in this table. You finally succumb to the rule of n+1 and you start looking for your first ‘proper’ road bike. I found it helped me because my hands are arthritic and it really relieved the pain going to larger cogs. Je ne suis pas sûr que les 105 d'aujourd'hui soient autant conçus pour durer que les 105 d'il y a 8 ans. the 2015 Ultegra. But two huge advantages. Hear about each post as soon as I publish. If you want to become a Shimano knowledge-sensai, you need to be aware that there is a number that corresponds to each named groupset (okay, need is a strong word). Which is a mangled sub-heading if ever there was one. On espérait une version électrique en DI2, il faudra encore attendre. The price difference between 105 and Ultegra is about $300 dollars. Do you think it would be worth it? Does the weight make a difference? You want to take care when buying individual components (e.g. le nouveau 105 a l'air tres bien mais on est toujours tenté par le plus. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. For function or longevity is it worth the price, can’t be as they’re the same. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Maybe, for once, the trickledown effect of high spec features gradually moving down the price spectrum won’t apply in the case of 105 electrification. Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. As things wear, replace them with a higher grade chain and cassette. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. That time occurs before you buy your bike, roughly a week after you’ve bought your bike, then on a weekly basis until you cycle off this mortal coil. This should not be the case. That would be the first major upgrade for me. Both bikes are new and and both had 22 gears. Vus le nombre de km que vous faites tous, cad dans le 10000, ultegra sans hésiter, quand le 105 est neuf tout marche très bien, mais dans le temps et au fil des nombreux kils….Crois-tu vraiment que les magasins vont reprendre les RS10? There is zero difference in any of the moving parts in shape or function. So now is the time to consider whether upgrading from Shimano 105, a perfectly functional bike groupset, to Shimano Ultegra, a perfectly functional bike groupset, will take you from dog-dog to Froome-dog. As you discuss only 11 speed groupsets, my question is about upgrading from 105 10s to 105 11s or even Ultegra 11s? Vidéos Ever since Shimano finally succeeded with index shifting in the 1984, real improvements in groupsets start at the highest end and then trickle down the component line as models are REFRESHED. I’m certainly not elite and with the roads in our area, I ride a Diverge that is 2Kg+ heavier than most road bikes . I remember when test riding bikes that the Ultegra shifters “felt” better than the 105. The shifter also feels much tighter with the Ultegra. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. That said, i will report back when I get some conclusive impressions. According to Beginner Triathlete, Ultegra group sets weigh roughly 280g, or half a pound less than a 105 gruppo. All from a MAMIL perspective. well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. Campagnolo claims that superior machining techniques result in a silent chain that won't lose traction at connection points. https://www.sportivecyclist.com/shimano-105-vs-ultegra-is-it-worth-it-to-upgrade Spend the money you save by upgrading the wheelset. Disons qu'il a surtout plus de prestige, mais le plus, ce sont tes jambes qui l'apporteront. Quant au tarif, il reste très bien placé. It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. If they both seem about the same goes with the smaller size. pour avoir roulé avec tous les groupes shimano, le 105 est le mieux placé en terme de tarif pour un fonctionnement identique. Buying from a Local Bike Shop has a value because you’ll be given preferential treatment over someone off the street when you go in for subsequent work. The Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 2021 model costs £2,200 ($2,838) whilst the Ultegra version is £2,700 ($3,483); Specialized Roubaix Sport (with 105) costs £2,750 ($3,548); the Roubaix Comp (Ultegra) comes in at £3,500 ($4,515). Et je vais peut-être songer à une nouvelle chaine au printemps, le luxe. As we spend more time on the bike and rack up the miles, it makes sense to upgrade assuming your bike fit is dialed in. Beaucoup trop de chiffres sur … Bof, un peu d'huile sur mon 105, des entretiens faits à temps et roulez jeunesse, Monsieur Shi ne m'aura pas! These chain sets are built with unequal spacing to minimize the stress it endures when you pedal. I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. Just my 2c. (Which I reckon is a song lyric waiting to be put to music*). La différence se fait au niveau des matériaux (un poil plus rigides) et des traitements de surface (un poil plus résistants). in addition to that, the Brake/Shift hoods on the 105 have a wierd ergonomic feel to them. I think that by comparing complete groupsets you are doing everyone a disfavor. The front derailleur, shifter, crank, shifting force, noise, etc., are indistinguishable (unless you took them off and put them on a scale). C'est la seule différence entre les 2 vélos. il y a environ 200g d'écart entre un Ultegra et un 105 à cassette similaire. The market for hydraulic brakes on road bikes is fairly new, and Shimano is still trying to milk it, so you can’t yet buy Sora or Claris hydraulic shifters. If both bikes are new I would take the information to your LBS and see if they would reduce their price 2-300 or if that embarrasses you just get the online one. Monty is an enthusiastic road cyclist with only moderate talent. Quand au blabla marketing de Monsieur Shi, tu remarques que les seuls mots qu'il emploie sont "plus" et "meilleur". No sign of a R7050. The rear is a different story. VTT I certainly saved enough to replace the brakes if I feel they are really inferior on the 105 compared to what I am used to. Des réponses qui vont toutes dans le même sens. Is that the case? I am also looking at a Colnago CLX 3.0 Ultegra 2015. If you think 70g weight difference in shifters the pair (5800-6800) is going to make you faster than me good. Unhelpfully, Shimano released products for, say, 2018, in mid-2017, so there might be the odd inaccuracy. Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. I’m also from Yorkshire and therefore have deep pockets and short arms. The same trend is appearing in hydraulic disc brakes and changes to the electronic shifting (current model Shimano hydraulic disc brakes are not attached to any groupset, the first groupset to get its own disc brakes will be Dura-Ace). 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